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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 17, 2010 12:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1970 Box of Rain

Wrong...that's not what I said...and PG's way outta line with suggesting I ever said "tell someone they asked a stupid question".

Are peeps really skipping most of what I write these days?

Good grief...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 17, 2010 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1970 Box of Rain

No, no, I was just reacting to the whole flap, feeling guilty that I started it, inadvertently, by asking, um, a stupid question. I think you're both right really - there is such a thing as a stupid question, OTOH the teacher doesn't have to *call* it a stupid question, it can be dealt with kindly, which I'm sure you always do.

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 17, 2010 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1970 Box of Rain

if you started it, then i was responsible for feeding the fire at a crucial stage. i tend to agree with PG on this one.

giving anything the label of "stupid" is an act of judgement. and the judgement says more about the person doing the judging than the target of judgement. even WT conceded that stupid is a vague label and described many scenarios in which questions are annoying. but honestly, that doesn't make them stupid.

stupid is a vague word with diminutive intention. calling something stupid just isn't trying hard enough to come up with a more clear description. you had to clarify that yourself after this discussion began that you were actually lazy because you weren't good at searching the archive.

and look, now you have been linked to a few great sites with much better user interface and now you are endowed with knowledge!



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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 17, 2010 3:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1970 Box of Rain

Right; but as I explained below, I used "stupid" since that's the origin (in the cliche), and the fact is no matter what you call them, they are "bad" if anything but "good" (read other ramblings for explanation, but you get the point).

What I really quibble with is that again, the support of the "ask any question, any time" is misguided, misdirected. It's like saying "speak your mind, any time any place", blah, blah, blah.

We should all, I think, be much more introspective and articulate when conversing, learning, interacting...

Notice I so frequently reject this advice, but the prinicple stands, don't ya think?

BTW, I am in fact the opposite of the prof you alluded to, BUT I do appreciate the kind implication (right?). I think that the way to an audience's brain is thru three pathways: first, connect to prior experience (ie, build linkages between your info and something--anything--they already possess); you can't reach them if they can't "connect" what you are saying and form relationships by building on what they already know. Second, organize your info AND your expectations of your audience (losing the AUD is the cardinal sin; note again how often I exhibit this flaw HERE, huh?!); they must know where you are starting from, where you are going, and when you get there, AND they must know what you expect of them in very simply terms (tests, performance, etc., etc.). Third, humor (must be AUD specific, and most useful when selfdeprecating, but it is undervalued by many, and used inappropriately by many more).

Teaching is MUCH more difficult than most imagine. You'll never have a better job, except being a parent, and you'll never burnout nor get bored, nor get over "changing someone's life" when they tell you that you did...I've been doing it forty yrs, and you never stop getting better at it, which is an amazingly motivating factor.

Are you going to go on in academia, Junior? Would love to talk more...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 17, 2010 5:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1970 Box of Rain

"Teaching is MUCH more difficult than most imagine. You'll never have a better job, except being a parent, and you'll never burnout nor get bored, nor get over "changing someone's life" when they tell you that you did..."

Could not agree more. Most rewarding job I ever had, albeit it mostly at the high school level, and my wife now works with two of my former students. I hope to one day make the leap back to academia.

And there are stupid questions and many stupid people. How else does one explain the turnout in DC for Beck and Palin?

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Poster: billydlions Date: Sep 17, 2010 6:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1970 Box of Rain

We need more stimulus money (so who's really stupid?).

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100917/bs_yblog_upshot/report-los-angeles-spent-70-million-in-stimulus-funds-to-create-7-76-jobs

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Poster: advokat Date: Sep 17, 2010 7:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1970 Box of Rain

So, is your point that this President's administration was responsible for how the City of Los Angeles misspent money?

And, yes, I do believe the stimulus was woefully inadequate.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 18, 2010 7:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1970 Box of Rain

I have a handful of old friends that have always had that as their dream too...to return to teaching at some level when they get done with a life time job of some other sort or another. Good deal.

Of course, teaching as I do at "highest levels" with research focused sorts is a far cry from HS settings, so I have the best of both worlds...I don't have to deal with "age related disciplinary" aspects...they can get in the way of real teaching. But, you also get them when they are a bit more responsive too. I think it's easier to burnout at that level though, overall.

Go for it big guy, go for it...someday soon.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 17, 2010 12:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1970 Box of Rain

Well, I kind of feel I made a fool of myself, 'cus how hard can it be to find a particular song in 1970 if it was only played once in 1970? OTOH, my mistake wasn't really that stupid; I didn't have the baseline knowledge that it was only played once. I assumed it was played many times in 1970 and that searching, therefore, would be time consuming. I just figured someone knew the answer, and would springboard from there into discussions of "Box of Rain 1970."

I didn't figure they would springboard instead to educational maladies of our era ... lordy. And now we've offended the prime minister (emeritus).

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 17, 2010 1:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1970 Box of Rain

I assume Box of Rain WAS played many times in 1970. It is a sad state of affairs that no other tapes exist. Perhaps in the vault somewheres? This is a good question for Lemieux!

It's nice to have a more or less friendly diversion from the GD sometimes on here. These kinds of discussions always impress me with the maturity, eloquence, intelligence, and aptitude for debate of posters around here. Love me some food for thought. Yummmmm